Council – I am sorry these notes are so late.
Present: Artem, Arnie, J.C., Mark, Larry, Kim, Eric, Monica
Well! I should be out of the council by July 1 because I have sold my soul to my new job. I will see you at the Advisory Board meetings – I will not give up my wiki work! When we have finalized the council members, we can figure out a meeting time, and I will contact the new members.
Serving on the council has been an honor. Working with our esteemed MVPs and CSS member on a regular basis has been a key experience that I will bring to my new team. I will miss everyone.
Monica
Present: Kim, Larry, Yuri, Ed, Kelly, Arnie, J.C., Monica
Thanks a lot to everyone who attended. Follow-up items in italics.
I’ll discuss coordinating council/advisory board meetings with Eric and make a recommendation to this group.
Thanks again,
Present: Larry, Mark, J.C., Kim, Artem, Monica
4/21/2011 From: Ed Price Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 11:12 AM To: Monica Rush; WikiCouncil-mvp-nda@mstechdiscussions.com Cc: Yuri Diogenes Subject: RE: Wiki community council -- NOTES (4/21)
Can we discuss more of the disadvantages to using Wordpress on an Azure server?
Wordpress advantages:
TechNet Blog advantages:
So, I know that might be frustrating for some MVP folks to not be able to post, but I think the advantages of using the TechNet Blog system FAR OUTWAY the single advantage of using Wordpress (or Blogger for that matter).
Mitigations:
So yes, Yuri and I would love to attend a council meeting to discuss blogs, but we’d like to discuss the technical end before it’s planned or decided on.
I also don’t know where we are in the “Community Ninja” versus “Wiki Ninja” discussion. I gave some notes on why I think we should focus on “Wiki Ninja” but also start a “Community Ninja.” So I don’t know what our thoughts are on that.
Thank you!
Ed Price
Technical Writer
SQL Server Analysis Services
blogs.msdn.com/User_Ed (& twitter )
From: Monica Rush Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 10:46 AM To: WikiCouncil-mvp-nda@mstechdiscussions.com Cc: Yuri Diogenes; Ed Price Subject: Wiki community council -- NOTES (4/21)
Present: Kim, Larry, Arnie, Eric
Thanks to all. We’ll be in touch in two weeks to see if we have enough info about the issues above to meet again. Yuri and Ed, we’ll be in touch soon about the blog.
4/7/2011 Present: Kim, Larry, Arnie, Monica
Discussed deletion. Will follow up with Eric to see what’s doable short term (manually); long term (software).
Possible scenario for deleting articles/marking for revision:
Disclaimer: This article does not currently fit the guidelines for the TechNet Wiki’s balanced point of view or appears to be incomplete. We encourage the original author or the community to revise it. If the article is not revised within 30 days it will be deleted.
Other:
Note: Anyone who has delete privileges should be sent a copy of BPOV and asked to review it so they understand their responsibility
3/24/2011 Present: Kim, Larry, Arnie, Monica
Notes:
Question: Could we create a private wiki-like environment to remove articles from view?
Can we put a link on the editing surface to these pages? With quick note indicating BPOV, disclaimer
Disclaimer: This article does not currently fit the guidelines for the TechNet Wiki’s balanced point of view or is inappropriate. See this “How to
Articles that express a preference for a solution should avoid product “bashing.” Articles about non-Microsoft technologies should describe how they interoperate with Microsoft technologies. If this article is not revised within two weeks it may be deleted. We will attempt to contact the author.
Articles as forums: What happened to friend functionality? Can we get email address? Add a note to go post to the forum and then remove after a few days. “Looks like a good question for a forum. Post in a week, and we’ll delete Kim – send link to your article.
Need an examples page.
2/3/2011
Present: Arnie, J.C., Kim, Larry, Artem, Monica
TOU excerpts and comments:
Wiki Terms of Use
Support:
Copyright:
Comment: Interface, application is MS. Content, copyright, and IP s/b owner
Intellectual property:
Art:
Termination:
Links to third-party sites:
Links from Artem for reference:
Present: J.C., Kim, Artem, Larry, Monica, and Charlotte
CSS: We met with Charlotte Raymundo, a Sr. Support Escalation Engineer with CSS. She had two main questions: 1) Customer perception around wiki support. Is the disclaimer prominent enough? 2) Knowing when it’s advantageous to use the wiki over a blog or forum or KB. She thought others in CSS would benefit from understanding these distinctions.
Followup:
1) Clarifying terms of use: Discuss with Eric and/or Legal to understand which exact text in the TOU specifies non-support. (Eric worked with Legal extensively before the wiki launch.) If we can’t point to specific language, what needs to be added?
2) Increasing CSS presence on the wiki:
Obstacles:
How to increase involvement?
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/wiki/contents/articles/worm-win32-visal-b.aspx
Council meeting time: Make it earlier to enable Mark and Eric to attend. How about Fri. at 7:00 am Pacific? Please let me know.
Wiki offsite during MVP Summit: Wednesday any time. Eric will set soon. Arnie and Mark, let us know if you have time preferences on Wednesday. Artem may be here! Artem – send itinerary when you have it
Next meeting in two weeks. We’ll circulate the revised moderation article in email for review and additions.
Thanks to all. Special thanks to Charlotte for her time, and for a good discussion.
Present: J.C., Mark, Kim, Larry, Monica. Arnie sent comments before the meeting. Artem is at a TechEd-like conference in Russia.
Balanced point of view (BPOV): We welcome articles representing different sides of a technical solution or issue. Articles demonstrating critical thinking are encouraged; articles with personalized criticism or "product bashing” may be removed. We also welcome information about non-Microsoft technologies that are part of a solution involving Microsoft technologies. Articles should be technical, and not marketing, in tone. Disclaimer: This article does not currently fit the guidelines for the TechNet Wiki’s balanced point of view. Articles that express a preference for a solution should avoid "product bashing.” Articles about non-Microsoft technologies should describe how they interoperate with Microsoft technologies. If this article is not revised within two weeks it may be deleted. We will attempt to contact the author.
Balanced point of view (BPOV): We welcome articles representing different sides of a technical solution or issue. Articles demonstrating critical thinking are encouraged; articles with personalized criticism or "product bashing” may be removed. We also welcome information about non-Microsoft technologies that are part of a solution involving Microsoft technologies. Articles should be technical, and not marketing, in tone.
Disclaimer: This article does not currently fit the guidelines for the TechNet Wiki’s balanced point of view. Articles that express a preference for a solution should avoid "product bashing.” Articles about non-Microsoft technologies should describe how they interoperate with Microsoft technologies. If this article is not revised within two weeks it may be deleted. We will attempt to contact the author.
The consensus is that the proposed revisions to the balanced point of view definition are too heavy-handed and corporate. They must be customer and not management-oriented. Arnie, Larry, and Monica will meet Monday morning to revise. We’ll send them out again for more comments.
We want to get this right. These guidelines set the tone for the wiki.
We also talked briefly about CSS and the wiki. J.C. mentioned that the wiki came up in one of his staff meetings. Monica to forward a few in-progress docs to J.C.: FAQ, Best Practices, and SQL Azure wiki plan.
We will request that Eric include J.C. in discussions about CSS and the wiki with members of TechNet.
Present: Artem, Eric, Kim, Larry, Arnie, J.C., Ed Hickey, Monica
Tues, 10/26 at 10:00: Conference call with SQL MVPs Thurs, 10/28 at 8:00: Council meeting to update the BPOV definition re: third-party software. This includes disclaimer Biweekly meetings after that EXCEPT: We need to figure out a way to make ourselves available on short notice in case another governance issue like the Linux article comes up. To resolve next week
Tues, 10/26 at 10:00: Conference call with SQL MVPs
Thurs, 10/28 at 8:00: Council meeting to update the BPOV definition re: third-party software. This includes disclaimer
Biweekly meetings after that
EXCEPT: We need to figure out a way to make ourselves available on short notice in case another governance issue like the Linux article comes up. To resolve next week
Meeting canceled.
Present: Kim, J.C., Larry, Arnie, Monica, Eric.
Arnie will send mail on the general subject of who owns the wiki, as food for thought in resolving this issue. Monica will draft a disclaimer that we can consider adding to similar articles in the future to request augmentation. We don’t want to jeopardize contribution about non-MS technologies yet if they are recast as interop info they will be a unique piece of content, unlike definitional content about non-MS technologies that could be found elsewhere.
We should also discuss whether we can find someone to augment the Linux article so we could add it back in. This leads to the important question of “staffing”: we need an army of SME’s we can consult to augment articles. I will consult the advisory board about this. I have been remiss about contacting them, but now is the time…
Monica will also contact the author to summarize our discussion.
Next meeting: Finalize any revisions to BPOV
Present: Mark, Arnie, Artem, J.C., Kim, Larry, Monica
Conference call with SQL MVPs: We’ll have a few slides (I’ll start the deck):
SQL PASS: Several BPD writers will be staffing. Not sure whether they will have time to promote the wiki. Monica to try to get a few passes. Arnie will look into whether we can have a table during the Wednesday luncheon devoted to discussing the wiki
Mark at TechEd: Kim looking into facilities and options. Will also clarify with Eric what his plans are. We’ll get lots of stickers to Mark
Advisory board: Will mail them early next week. They need to solve problems that the Council raises: 1) Technology recommendations; 2) Increasing adoption; 3) What’s the best configuration for them to be effective? Possibly they should consist of significant community influencers for different technologies. Ex. 1) Jeffrey Palermo when we’re ready to approach the development community; 2) Steven Rose for Windows development
Press release: All: Please review for next week. Arnie to create a shorter version so people have options when promoting the wiki. Want to notify Ninjas and others that these texts are available
Linux expert at MS: Passed on our content recommendations to him. He was very grateful, will talk to his team, and plans to create a video with Tony and then create articles
Present: Ed Hickey, J.C., Larry, Kim, Arnie, Mark, Eric, Monica
Thank you to Ed for discussing how to interest SQL MVPs in the wiki. This is an important step in promoting the wiki to a large influential group.
SQL MVPs: 300 SQL MVPs worldwide
Authority: Continue the discussion next week. A statement from the Council would probably be helpful. Recent comments by Council members:
We’ll have Ed Price attend a meeting in a few weeks to discuss his release notes pilot. It most resembles Wikipedia’s “pending edits,” where contributions are vetted by a designated group of subject matter experts.
Press release: Please send comments on the attached press release list by EOW so Arnie and Artem can begin the draft. Re: length, in the age of the sound bite it should be short, although key points such as benefits to contributors and the community must be clear.
Present: Artem, Kim, Mark, J.C., Larry, Arnie, Monica, Jen Lussier (Community PM)
Thanks for the good meeting. Special thanks to Jen for discussing her social media strategy and for the good work she’s put into it.
Naming policy: Current text. Any more changes? Should of course be concise yet clear.
Use the name you create to build your professional reputation. After choosing your name for the TechNet Wiki, create a profile with your areas of interest and expertise. Add a picture. Make it easy for people to friend you and want to collaborate with you.
For example, use your legal name, or a name that you are known as on other Internet resources.
To strengthen the wiki community we will keep it free of offensive names:
Social media working group:
Press release: Coming in separate mail
LiveMeeting: I will create a new series in an effort to have Arnie join more easily
Next week: Ed Hickey, Community PM, will join to plan the conference call between the Council and SQL MVPs
Present: Artem, Kim, Larry, Arnie, Monica
Add to signup page: “Use a professional name, personal or otherwise, to get appropriate attribution for your contribution. This will help you build your professional brand. The Community Council will evaluate names that are unprofessional and take action if necessary.” Council: Please send any feedback on this language. After it is final I will add to the signup article.
Note: For the record, if the Council feels action should be taken we will notify user, explain problem, ask them to change, and then take appropriate action if necessary. We won’t delete account without contacting
Questions for Eric/Sean: 1) Should we monitor signup? 2) How will unified profile work with all this?
Non-English: Discussions starting. To illustrate the complexity, Artem states that Russians who would contribute would likely do so in English, but Russians who need technical information would likely seek it in Russian. We’ll inform the council about these discussions for input
Meeting canceled because of vacations.
Present: Larry, Kim, Artem, Arnie, Eric, Monica. To-do’s in bold.
Present: Arnie, Mark, Kim, Artem, J.C., Larry, Monica
Present: Kim, Larry, J.C., Monica
Present: Artem, Kim, Larry, Monica
Please vote! J.C., Gerard, Susan: We want everyone to vote for the last council member. You can reply all or mail me directly. By end of week would be great. In addition to finalizing the council, we want to ask the other candidate to join the advisory board to help with marketing
Working groups: Groups are forming to address wiki issues. The council recommends that when such groups form, they use the forum and other social media to get external contribution. They also use LM, not Communicator, so that external people can participate in meetings:
Note: Artem is an example of an external person who wants to participate in several of the above groups, particularly feature requests. We should be sure to include him
Developer audience: Nothing much we can do now to avoid confusion about developer content on the wiki except to use social media and events to let people know that developers are part of the wiki audience
Council charter: Our role is evolving, still sometimes vague, but we are generally attempting to make the wiki useful to non-MS people
Deleted topics: Need to follow through with Eric and Sean on what happens when an article is deleted, including what the UI should say. Monica
Present: Artem, J.C., Larry, Kim, Monica
Ways to think about logos: This is TN Wiki, it is cool, come to check it out (this message may actually have no text at all, just a logo). I am an active contributor on TN Wiki, come to check it out (non-personalized, the link goes to the Wiki’s main page). I am an active contributor on TN Wiki, here’s my profile, come to check it out (personalized, the link goes to the person’s profile). I see that Scripting Guys have just a logo (aka “Dr. Scripto”) that is highly recognized by the community (actually a friend of mine, who is a PowerShell MVP, uses this picture as his userpic/avatar everywhere. And I know he’s not the only one). They time to time include the logo into their special communications, like more specific contest badges or something like this.
Ways to think about logos:
This is TN Wiki, it is cool, come to check it out (this message may actually have no text at all, just a logo).
I am an active contributor on TN Wiki, come to check it out (non-personalized, the link goes to the Wiki’s main page).
I am an active contributor on TN Wiki, here’s my profile, come to check it out (personalized, the link goes to the person’s profile).
I see that Scripting Guys have just a logo (aka “Dr. Scripto”) that is highly recognized by the community (actually a friend of mine, who is a PowerShell MVP, uses this picture as his userpic/avatar everywhere. And I know he’s not the only one). They time to time include the logo into their special communications, like more specific contest badges or something like this.
Meeting canceled since several council members are preparing for the TechEd Conference. Meetings will resume on June 17th.
Present: Artem, J.C., Kim, Monica
I could not find the notes. I believe we discussed what we should put in an article titled "A Day in the Life of a Wiki Article." This article will provide end-to-end information about a wiki article (creating, moderating, promoting, etc.). We're still working on this.
Meeting canceled since too many council members were unavailable.
Discussed general wiki info:
Present: Larry, Gerard, Artem, Kim, Monica
Continued working on conduct info:
Present: Artem, Larry, Kim, Monica, Gerard
Proposal for CSS participation. Please add more items that we can discuss with J.C. before writing a formal proposal to CSS:
Present: J.C., Kim, Monica, and Eric (briefly).
Couple of council members at conferences, user groups this week. More will be present next week.